[concurrency-interest] Ordered puts and takes

Jim Andreou jim.andreou at gmail.com
Mon May 11 12:25:23 EDT 2009

2009/5/11 Alex Miller <alexdmiller at yahoo.com>:
> This is maybe a better question for the jmm list, but I'll start here and you can tell me to stuff it if so.
> If you have 2 unbounded LBQs:
>  LinkedBlockingQueue queueA = new LinkedBlockingQueue();
>  LinkedBlockingQueue queueB = new LinkedBlockingQueue();
> and 1 producer thread puts objects on queue A then queue B (no other synchronization):
>  queueA.put(obj1);
>  queueB.put(obj2);
> and you have a consumer that reads those queues (no other synchronization):
>  Object seen1 = queueA.take();
>  Object seen2 = queueB.remove();
> Is
> it possible to see NoSuchElementException from the final remove()?  I
> think this boils down to a JMM question of whether the puts
> (which are changing the queues on separate internal locks but are
> sequentially ordered in the producer thread) *guarantee* an ordering in the consumer thread such that obj1 must show up on queueA before obj2 on
> queueB.

I don't see a guarantee that the consumer will observe the program
order of the producer. The two puts can be reordered if this
reordering can't be observed in the producer thread, so the consumer
may see the "wrong" order.

Also, think that the producer could be preempted before putting to the
second queue.

I think that if you reordered the consumer like this:

Object seen2 = queueB.take();
Object seen1 = queueA.remove();

Then you would have the intented ordering. If you see the second
object, then the put on the queueB happened-before, and the put on
queueA happened-before that because it was earlier in program order.

> My intuitive answer is yes but the actual answer might be that this is merely likely, not guaranteed.
> Thanks...
> Alex
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