[concurrency-interest] Thread priority

Gregg Wonderly gregg at cytetech.com
Thu Feb 7 11:08:22 EST 2013

I've always wondered why these kinds of "large" invocation counts are used.  In 
many methods, there will be a single entry in most applications, and "loops" 
inside of that method could be optimized much sooner.  In many of my desktop 
applications, I set the invocation count (on the command line) to 100 or even 
25, and get faster startups, and better performance for the small amount of time 
that I use the apps.  For the client VM, it really seems strange to wait so long 
(1000 invocations), to compile with instrumentation.  Then waiting for 10 times 
that many invocations to decide on the final optimizations seems a bit of a stretch.

Are there real data values from lots of different users which indicate that 
these "counts" are when people are ready to be more productive?  I know that 
there are probably lots of degenerative cases where optimizations will be missed 
without enough data.  But it would seem better to go to native code early, and 
adapt occasionally, rather than wait until you can be sure to be perfect.

Gregg Wonderly

On 2/7/2013 9:49 AM, Nathan Reynolds wrote:
> With tiered compilation, once a method reaches 1,000 invocations
> (configurable?), it is compiled with instrumentation.  Then when it reaches
> 10,000 invocations (configurable), it is fully optimized using the
> instrumentation profiling data.  For these operations, the JIT threads should
> run at a higher priority.  However, there are some optimizations which are too
> heavy to do at a high priority.  These optimizations should be done at a low
> priority.  Also, methods, which haven't quite reached the 1,000 invocations but
> are being execute, could be compiled with instrumentation at a low priority.
> The low priority work will only be done if the CPU isn't maxed out.  If any
> other thread needs the CPU, then the low priority compiler thread will be
> immediately context switched off the core.  So, the low priority compilation
> will never significantly hurt the performance of the high priority threads.  For
> some work loads, the low priority threads may never get a chance to run. That's
> okay because the work isn't that important.
> Nathan Reynolds <http://psr.us.oracle.com/wiki/index.php/User:Nathan_Reynolds> |
> Architect | 602.333.9091
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> On 2/7/2013 12:21 AM, Stanimir Simeonoff wrote:
>> Thread priorities are usually NOT applied at all.
>> For insance:
>>      intx DefaultThreadPriority                     = -1              {product}
>>     intx JavaPriority10_To_OSPriority              = -1              {product}
>>      intx JavaPriority1_To_OSPriority               = -1              {product}
>>      intx JavaPriority2_To_OSPriority               = -1              {product}
>>      intx JavaPriority3_To_OSPriority               = -1              {product}
>>      intx JavaPriority4_To_OSPriority               = -1              {product}
>>      intx JavaPriority5_To_OSPriority               = -1              {product}
>>      intx JavaPriority6_To_OSPriority               = -1              {product}
>>      intx JavaPriority7_To_OSPriority               = -1              {product}
>>      intx JavaPriority8_To_OSPriority               = -1              {product}
>>      intx JavaPriority9_To_OSPriority               = -1              {product}
>> in other words unless specified : -XXJavaPriority10_To_OSPriority=
>> it won't be mapped.
>> If applied the JVM compiler/GC threads may become starved which you don't
>> want, so they have to work above normal prir (that request root privileges).
>> Alternatively the normal java threads have to run w/ lower prir which means
>> other process will have higher priority - also unpleasant.
>> Stanimir
>> On Thu, Feb 7, 2013 at 5:20 AM, Mohan Radhakrishnan
>> <radhakrishnan.mohan at gmail.com <mailto:radhakrishnan.mohan at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>     Hi,
>>               Can the Thread priority setting in the API still be reliably
>>     used uniformly across processors ? There are other concurrency patterns in
>>     the API but this setting is still there.
>>     Thanks,
>>     Mohan
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